Part 1: The State of Iowa vs Cristhian Bahena Rivera | The Murder of Mollie Tibbetts

Madeline O'Brien: Before we begin, I want to take a moment to reflect on the life of Molly Tibbets, a young woman whose light touched everyone she met.

 Molly Cecilia Tibbetts was born on May 8, 1998 in San Francisco, California and raised in both San Francisco and Brooklyn, Iowa.

She graduated from BGM High School in 2017 and was pursuing a degree in psychology at the University of Iowa. Driven by her dream of becoming a child psychologist to help children struggling with mental health issues, Molly loved life and it showed in everything she did. She excelled in writing and speech, sharing her thoughts on complex topics like mental health and self esteem.

Molly made friends everywhere she went and children adored her. She worked at a summer camp where her laughter and warmth left a lasting impression.

She was a runner, a dancer, an actor, and a singer. But above all, Molly was a young woman filled with kindness, ambition, and an undeniable joy for life.

In July 2018, Molly disappeared while on an evening jog near her hometown of Brooklyn, Iowa, sparking a massive search effort that united the community and drew nationwide attention.

Sadly, her body was discovered weeks later.

 This episode covers the court trial in full, edited for length and clarity.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Committed as follows, said defendant honor about July 18, 2018, in how Sheikh County, Iowa did murder Molly Tibbets in violation of Iowa Code section 707.1 and 707.2, subsection 1, subsection A, A true Information Defendant entered a not guilty plea to the charge.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Claver.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Claver, on behalf of the State of Iowa, you may give your opening.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Thank you, your Honor. Molly Tibbets this case is her story.

Speaker Mr. Claver: This case is the story of Molly's disappearance and the story of Molly's murder.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Molly Tibbets was 19 years old going into her sophomore year at the University of Iowa.

Speaker Mr. Claver: She was home for the summer and home for Molly was Brooklyn, Iowa, a town of about 1400 People in Powasheek County.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Powasheet county is located about midway between Des Moines and Iowa city.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And on July 18, 2018, Molly was house sitting for her boyfriend, Dalton Jack, and his brother Blake.

Speaker Mr. Claver: They resided at 622 W. Des Moines St. In Brooklyn.

Speaker Mr. Claver: She was also taking care of the dogs while Dalton and Blake were out of town working. They worked construction. Dalton was in Dubuque. Blake was in Ames.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Molly was an avid runner, and she ran cross country and track in high school.

Speaker Mr. Claver: On July 18, 2018, she put on her multicolored neon running shoes and left the house. It was customary for Molly to run in the evenings, and that's what she did on July 18th. And she had her usual routes.

Speaker Mr. Claver: One of those routes took her out of town on a Gravel Road on 385th Avenue.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That's the route she took on July 18, 2018.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Shortly before 8pm that night, Christina Stewart was traveling to her parents farm to tend the horses.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And she passed Molly on that road.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Christina Stewart had known Molly since Molly was a small child.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And Christina Stewart was a hairstylist in town. She'd cut Molly's hair. She recognized Molly.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And aside from Molly's killer, Christina Stewart was the last person to see Molly alive.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Molly didn't show up for work the next day. She worked at a daycare in Grinnell, which was a few miles from Brooklyn. She'd worked there the summer before. And this wasn't usual for Molly. She was a no call and a no show.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Her family hadn't been in touch with her the night before or that morning.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Dalton Jack hadn't been in touch with her.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And they began to call each other to find out where Molly was. They began to get worried.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And that's when they contacted law enforcement.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And that kicked off an exhaustive, intensive investigation spanning nearly five weeks.

Speaker Mr. Claver: There were hundreds of people involved. Volunteers, local law enforcement, fire departments, the dci, FBI, and even Homeland Security.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And they canvassed the entire town of Brooklyn. They searched nearby fields and waterways, ditches, ponds.

Speaker Mr. Claver: The sheriff even went up in a helicopter to search some of the local fields.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And as the hours turned into days and days into weeks, every lead they pursued came up empty.

Speaker Mr. Claver: After four weeks, they were no closer to finding Molly than when they started.

Speaker Mr. Claver: But because of the resources and the investigation that the investigation had and the number of agents, one of the things they were able to do was collect the security camera footage and surveillance video from around the time frame and date and area Molly was last Seen.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And as the agents meticulously went over this video on one of the from Dalton and Blake Jack on East Des Moines street, they saw a specter, a silhouette of what appeared to be a jogger in the time in the area Molly was last seen.

Speaker Mr. Claver: As they scoured that video for any other clue as to Molly's disappearance, they noticed a certain vehicle appearing again and again and again on that video.

Speaker Mr. Claver: It was a black Chevy Malibu. Now, that's a common make and model, but this one was unique. This vehicle had non standard rims, it had chrome door handles, and it had chrome mirrors. Shortly after this vehicle was identified as a vehicle of interest in the case, Powell Sheet county deputy and investigator Steve Kibbe was driving home on Interstate 80 when he saw a black Chevy Malibu with the chrome side mirrors.

Speaker Mr. Claver: So he followed that vehicle and he approached the driver when it stopped.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Driver didn't speak much English, and so he had the help of a neighbor to speak to the driver.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Driver identified himself with the birth certificate as Christian Behena Rivera, the defendant.

Speaker Mr. Claver: As deputy Kivi continued to speak with the defendant, he learned that the defendant worked at Yerrabee Farms, which was a local dairy farm in Powasheet county, Iowa.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Because of the language barrier, Deputy Kivi wasn't able to gain much other information from the defendant. He took pictures of the defendant, he took pictures of the vehicle, and he ended that encounter.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Not long after that, law enforcement decided they wanted to speak with the defendant further. And on August 20, 2018, they went to Yerrapee Farms to find the defendant, speak with him, and canvass the area.

Speaker Mr. Claver: They did find the defendant that day.

Speaker Mr. Claver: In the afternoon, spoke with the defendant, asked if he'd do an interview, to which he agreed.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That interview took place at the Powell Sheet county sheriff's office.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Now, the defendant's a native Spanish speaker, and so Pamela Romero, an Iowa city police officer, also a native Spanish speaker, was enlisted to conduct that interview.

Speaker Mr. Claver: The interview went on for several hours. They talked about where the defendant was from, who his family was, who his friends and associates were, where he worked.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And the defendant admitted at that time that he drove a black Chevy Malibu.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He was the only person that drove that black Chevy Malibu.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And then they started talking about Molly Tibbets and what he knew about her disappearance. And at first, defendant denied knowing anything about Molly's disappearance except what he'd seen around town with the flyers and news reports.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And then he was showed a still photograph from that surveillance video.

Speaker Mr. Claver: It was then that the defendant relented on his story, and he admitted that he had seen Molly the night she disappeared.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted that he found her attractive, that she was hot, in his words.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And he admitted after he saw her the first time, he circled back to take a second look.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Early in the morning on August 21, 2018, Deputy Kivi, Officer Romero and the defendant went to a cornfield off of 460th Avenue, 2478, in rural Powasheet county, near the Powell Sheet county and Iowa county line.

Speaker Mr. Claver: This particular field had a gate and a long grassy ingress or drive that stretched more than 50 yards into the corn.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Defendant was interviewed again at that location, and it was there that he made further admissions.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted that he'd seen Molly the night she disappeared, July 18, 2018.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted that he followed her, that he got out of his car.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted to jogging to catch up with her, that he wanted to get close to her.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted that Molly didn't want to have anything to do with him, that she threatened to call the police.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And he admitted he became angry at that time.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted to fighting with her.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And then he says the next thing that he remembers, he's driving in his car, the Malibu, and he notices Molly's earbuds. And he remembers that Molly is in his trunk.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admits taking Molly's body out of the trunk.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admits seeing blood on Molly's body and neck.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admits putting Molly over his shoulder.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He described the body as someone who had fainted.

Speaker Mr. Claver: He admitted taking Molly into the field, placing her face up and putting corn stalks on her body and then leaving.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Law enforcement searched the field off of 460th Avenue.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And they found a body decomposed beyond all recognition, wearing multicolored neon running shoes.

Speaker Mr. Claver: An autopsy was done of the body.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Identity was confirmed as Molly Tibbets.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Body was examined and determined that Molly had been stabbed anywhere from seven to 12 times in the chest, near the ribs, in the neck, and in the skull.

Speaker Mr. Claver: The medical examiner determined that the cause and manner of death was homicide by sharp force injury.

Speaker Mr. Claver: The defendant's vehicle was searched, the Chevy Malibu.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And blood was found on the trunk liner and in the trunk.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Analysis was done of that blood. DNA analysis.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And it was matched to the DNA taken from the body. It was Molly's blood in the defendant's Chevy Malibu.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Ladies and gentlemen, this is what I expect the evidence in this case to show.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And when you go back in your deliberations, I'd like you to focus on the three primary aspects of the state's evidence that point to the defendant as Molly Tibbett's Killer.

Speaker Mr. Claver: The first is a video. The video that shows the defendant's black Chevy Malibu in the time and the area where Molly was last seen.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Combine that with the defendant's admissions that he was the only one that drove that vehicle and that he was alone that night.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Second aspect of the state's evidence for you to focus on is Molly's blood in the defendant's Malibu.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And the third are the defendant's admissions. His admissions that he saw Molly, that he found her attractive, that he ran alongside her, that Molly threatened to call the police.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That he became angry, that he fought with Molly. That he drove to the field at 2478 460th Avenue, the field with the gate and the long ingress into the corn close to the county line.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That he remembered Molly being in the trunk.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That his admissions of taking Molly's bloody body out of the trunk, putting her on his shoulder, taking her into the field, leaving her there, covering her with corn stalks.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Ladies and gentlemen, when you examine this evidence together, there can be no other conclusion than that the defendant killed Molly Tibbets.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And I'll ask you to return a verdict, the only verdict that the evidence demands, that you find the defendant guilty of murder in the first degree. Thank you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Claver.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Does the defense elect to give their opening at this time?

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Your Honor, we will defer our opening to the conclusion of the state's case. Thank you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Record will so reflect.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Please state your name for the record.

Speaker Blake Jack: Blake. Jack.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And where do you live?

Speaker Blake Jack: 622 W. Des Moines St. In Brooklyn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long have you lived at 622 W. Des Moines St in Brooklyn?

Speaker Blake Jack: 3 and a half years.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you live there currently with anyone else?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep. My wife.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What's your wife's first name?

Speaker Blake Jack: Allie.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long have you been married?

Speaker Blake Jack: Since 2019 of August.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I probably was gonna ask your anniversary date.

Speaker Blake Jack: That's okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But do you also have children?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes, we do.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. And how many kids do you guys have?

Speaker Blake Jack: We've got one son, Brayson, and we have another one on the way.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Back In July of 2018, were you also residing at 622 West Des Moines in Brooklyn?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And who was living with you at that point in time?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, at that time was my fiance, but still. Allie. My brother Dalton, and his girlfriend, Molly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And let's take a look at some exhibits here. I'm going to put Exhibit 4 on the screen. Can you see that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Kate, on the left side of this Exhibit 4, which has been admitted into evidence, it says 622 West Des Moines Street. You see that?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is that where you reside?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, and is this generally, what town are we here is on the map Brooklyn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Jack, where is it that you are employed?

Speaker Blake Jack: I'm self employed. I own my own construction company.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, how long have you had that construction company?

Speaker Blake Jack: Going on three years.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, do you have other employees?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, how many?

Speaker Blake Jack: Right now we have six full time employees.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you have siblings?

Speaker Blake Jack: I do. Two brothers, Dalton and Randy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And is Dalton older or younger?

Speaker Blake Jack: Dalton's younger. He's three years younger than me.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And how about Randy?

Speaker Blake Jack: Randy's three years younger than him. So six years younger than me.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you're the oldest? I'm the oldest of the boys, yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Prior to her death, Mr. Jack, did you know Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I knew her from just being my brother's girlfriend and she'd come to family events and got to know her a little bit more whenever she started living with us part time when Dalton moved in with me and my wife, so yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long had Dalton lived with you and Allie Prior to July of 2018, do you remember?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, we bought the house in October and he moved in pretty much as soon as we bought the house. We did some small remodel projects before he moved in, but shortly after we moved in, he moved in with us as well.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He moved in October 2017.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is that a yes?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you get to know Molly over that time period while she and Dalton dated?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I mean that was probably the, you know, whenever they. When she lived with us, that was the busiest time of year for me, so I wasn't at home all the time. But they would eat dinner with us occasionally. Their room was upstairs and our room was downstairs, so we kind of kept our separate areas. They were constantly and, you know, in their room and stuff, so we ate dinner together. Got to know her pretty well, got to know her family a little bit and stuff. I knew her brothers from sports and I coached them and stuff, so.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So where were you employed in the summer of 2018?

Speaker Blake Jack: I was self employed at that time. I was working on a basement finish job. We were finishing out a basement over a new house over in Newton at that time.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So did you own your own construction business back in 2018?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep, I did.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And the week of July 16, which would include July 18, where were you physically located?

Speaker Blake Jack: I would go to the job site in Newton and my wife, who worked for a seed corn company, was staying up in Ames as a field inspector at a hotel there with the rest of her colleagues. And so I would go up there and stay with her in those couple of days during that week.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, well talk to you a little bit more in detail about what. What you were doing that week. But as of July of 2018, did you know any person named Christian Behenna Rivera?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Have you ever met anyone that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That you recall that had that name?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To your knowledge, Mr. Jack. Had Dalton Jack or Molly Tibbets ever mentioned the name Christian Behena Rivera?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Let's talk more specifically about the week of July 18th. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So I know you've told us you were working, but I want to direct your attention back to that week.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When was it that you left town to go to Newton to work on this construction job that you've already described?

Speaker Blake Jack: I was working there every day. We'd been. We were probably midway through the process of that remodel or that finish in that basement. So I was going there every day for work, even weeks before that and weeks after that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so were you traveling to Newton and then coming home in the evening, or did you stay over that week?

Speaker Blake Jack: That week, I stayed those two days with my wife and Ames. But primarily, I was coming home in the weeks prior. I mean, if I had a softball game, I'd come back home for softball, which was Mondays and Fridays. But that week, I was staying with my wife and Ames.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was the plan with regard to your house and who was gonna be there while you were gone?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, the plan was for Molly to watch the dogs. I didn't know until Monday night that Dalton wasn't gonna be.

Speaker Blake Jack: He was traveling to Dubuque, which for him to be on the road was pretty common at that time. So all I asked Molly to do is just let the dogs in and out.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So we. What was the practice with the dogs?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Whenever you. When there was nobody home, where would you put them?

Speaker Blake Jack: We'd put them in the basement. And the reason we did that is we have an old foursquare farmhouse, and the basement's, you know, just a regular four square farmhouse, basement, concrete floor. But it's not finished or anything. All the utilities and stuff are down there. Toby, our younger dog, had epilepsy. And so when he had. If he would have a seizure episode when we were not around, he would soil himself. And we didn't want that up above in the living space. So to prevent any of that big messes to clean up, we'd put them in the basement.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So what was the plan that week, then, with regard to you and Dalton and Molly? What Were the arrangements that were made?

Speaker Blake Jack: I mean there wasn't any drawn out really arrangements. It's just that I asked Molly to let the dogs out while I was gone and just told her I was staying with Allie and Ames. That was really the only. You know, there wasn't a formal arrangement by any means, but that was just kind of what we decided upon. Just because I was going to be gone and with Dalton being out of town, I just. She was. Had no problem. She had some stuff there anyways, so it wasn't a big inconvenience for her to come let him out.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When was the last time that you saw Molly Tibbets alive?

Speaker Blake Jack: Monday. I don't remember the day. Whatever that Monday was before she went missing.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so that would have been July 16th if Wednesday, July 18th was when she went missing, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: 16Th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So how was it that you got to Newton?

Speaker Blake Jack: I drove there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have any communication at all, Mr. Jack, on Monday or Tuesday with Molly Tibbets that you have not already described to us?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have any communication with your little brother Dalton Jack on Monday or Tuesday that you haven't already told us?

Speaker Mr. Claver: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: By the way, when did he tell you that he was going to be working in Dubuque?

Speaker Blake Jack: I can't remember exactly. It had probably been Tuesday because that was the day I was going to go up to see Allie to be sure.

Speaker Blake Jack: I wanted to be sure the dogs were going to be taken care of.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was it your understanding that Dalton then was going to be out of town for the remainder of the week?

Speaker Blake Jack: Right, he said he was going to be out of town for. It might have been a couple of weeks.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So I want to now direct your attention to Thursday, July 19th of 2018.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you receive any contact from Dalton Jackson?

Speaker Blake Jack: He called me right as I was wrapping up with work for the day and just asked me to, when I got home to check on Molly and see what was going on, said he hadn't heard from her and that she called in sick for work. Or she hadn't called in sick, but that she hadn't been at work and that work called him to see where she was at.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. So do you remember when you got that phone call from Dalton Jack?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I was on the job site at Newton. It was about 4:30 in the afternoon. Cause that's about the time we always wrap up every day.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was that the first that you had heard that Molly Tibbets may be missing?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes. Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that was from Dalton? From Dalton at the Time. What were your plans on that Thursday at 4:30? Were you going to come home that evening? What were your plans?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, I had to go help Allie with her car because she forgot her car keys, so. But my plan was still to come home afterwards. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So after receiving this communication from Dalton Jack that Molly had not been heard from, did you get any other phone call from him between helping Allie get her phone keys and driving home to Brooklyn?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Any text messages or phone calls, anything like that? I'm not suggesting there are, but any communications you can remember?

Speaker Blake Jack: Not that I can remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, so after receiving this communication from Dalton Jackson, what did you and Allie then do?

Speaker Blake Jack: So I got home and as I'm pulling into town, two of her friends were driving around and kind of half flagged me down and just asked me if I'd seen her. And I said I hadn't seen her, but I'm going to the house right now to check on her. Just at that point I was still assuming that she'd probably just be there or whatever, you know, I didn't know. Went in the house, she wasn't there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Hang on just a second. I'll get to that. Okay, so the two friends, where was it they flagged you down?

Speaker Blake Jack: That would be North Orchard street, which is just around the corner from my house. Okay, so.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So they were on this, on the sidewalk or street?

Speaker Blake Jack: No, they were driving. They were in a car. I got you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so, and then you stopped and talked to them?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And after that you went where?

Speaker Blake Jack: Went back to the house or. Went to the house.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So whenever you arrived back at 622 West Des Moines, do you remember what time you got there?

Speaker Blake Jack: Not the exact time, no. Probably if I left Newton and help out with her car, like 6:00, but.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was still light outside.

Speaker Blake Jack: Still light outside in the middle of summer?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So whenever you arrived back at 622 West Des Moines, was anyone else present?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you go into the house?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, Mr. Jack, whenever you went into the house, did you notice anything unusual about any entryway? Was there any. Any sign of that was unusual?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Any broken locks, broken windows, anything like that?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And how was it that you got into your house that day, if you can recall?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, I just walked in the door. We don't lock the doors in our small town, so.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So the door wasn't even locked?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so whenever you walk in, anything out of the ordinary in. In the house that you saw?

Speaker Blake Jack: No. Everything pretty much just as we left it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Where were the dogs.

Speaker Blake Jack: The dogs were in the basement.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was that one of the first things that you did whenever you got into the house was to get the dogs?

Speaker Mr. Claver: Yep.

Speaker Blake Jack: Pretty much anytime anybody comes home, you go down there and get them, you know, let them upstairs.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you happen to go up to the room that Molly shared with Dalton whenever she was with him?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I went up there to check and see if she was in there, and she wasn't in there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: After checking the house, did you check with any of your neighbors to see if they had seen or heard anything?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes, I went over to the neighbors to the west and just checked and see if they had heard or seen anything.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who did you talk to? Do you recall?

Speaker Blake Jack: Jeff and Michelle Hall?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Had they seen or heard anything?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you talk to other neighbors or other people in the area?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I went a couple blocks away to another neighbor.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So who was it? What was his name?

Speaker Blake Jack: Nate Hopwood.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you learn any information from Nate Hopwood?

Speaker Blake Jack: Well, we asked about the cameras, and he said to us that they were not working because of a storm or something.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What cameras?

Speaker Blake Jack: There's a couple cameras on the outside. One kind of, like, faces the road and the parking lot on one side, and that's the one we were kind of hoping to get access to. That's one. Only one I could see from my.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: House, but those were not operative.

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: According to him, did Nate Hopgood indicate he had seen Molly running the evening before?

Speaker Blake Jack: I can't remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, is there anybody else that you.

Speaker Blake Jack: Talked to just at that point? Molly's friends were over there, and we're kind of brainstorming, trying to figure out where she might be. And then at some point, after kind of, you know, doing our best to track her down, we decided just to call law enforcement.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So how many of Molly's friends had come over to your house to assist you in trying to find her?

Speaker Blake Jack: The two girls were there pretty much right away. But then there seemed like there was other kids just kept showing up more. I mean, there was two other boys I know driving around in a truck and talking to people, and. But I don't remember how many exactly came over, but there was several.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you start to become worried?

Speaker Blake Jack: I was worried just that I didn't have any inkling of what happened, but I was kind of worried that she wasn't answering her phone and didn't have contact. There was a big storm the day before, like a tornado that went through Marshalltown. So we didn't know if maybe something that had something to do with it that Was honestly my first thought was that maybe she got caught in the storm or something.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: While you were home and after you had checked with the neighbors to see if they'd seen anything, did Ally come over?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, she came home a couple hours later. She came back from Ames.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you ever call Molly's phone?

Speaker Blake Jack: Oh, we called it a whole bunch of times. You know, just always trying to get through to her.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And, you know, her friends did the same thing.

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes, we tried Facebook, Snapchat, everything.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And no response?

Speaker Blake Jack: No response.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, before we Finish this up, Mr. Jackson, were you familiar because Molly had stayed with you, with what?

Speaker Blake Jack: Her running habits were not exact, like, where she went, but I know she ran all the time. And when I would see her generally be, like, coming back home from work, I'd see her running down the street parallel with where we live, and then I'd see her scatterings around town. I mean, she ran pretty much everywhere.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So was Molly a runner and in high school?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, she was in track and cross country, I think.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And generally speaking, what would Molly wear whenever she. Whenever you would see her go out for runs?

Speaker Blake Jack: Shorts, jogging shoes, either, like a tank top or a sports bra. And she always had her, like, the ipod thing that holds her. Holds her phone for music and stuff.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Prior to going to your job in Newton this week, that included July 18th of 2018, did you notice anything unusual in the relationship between Dalton Jack and Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did they seem to be getting along?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes. I don't think she would be staying at our house if they weren't getting along.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, that's all the questions I have for Mr. Jack. Thank you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Brown. Defense may cross examine.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: I've got a few questions for you.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: It sounds like when you heard about Molly Tibbett being missing, that it concerned you. Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You remember that phone call from Dalton?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You remember where you were?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes, I was in Newton.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Did you get a pit in your stomach right away when you heard that?

Speaker Blake Jack: I mean, I was just a little bit nervous for him, but wasn't thinking it was anything to be terribly concerned about until I got home.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You'd agree with me that Molly isn't the type of. That would just, you know, go off the radar for a day or two?

Speaker Blake Jack: Oh, absolutely not. She was always attached to her phone.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: She took pride in showing up to work every day. Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: She was a very conscientious employee at the daycare that she worked at. Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: She enjoyed her job and enjoyed being a Presence in her children's life, or not her children, but the children's life, Is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yep.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: And so it was unusual that she would just not show up to work, Is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Now, it sounds like just about as soon as you found out about this, you tried to get yourself back to Brooklyn, Is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: The first thing that was done is a group of friends kind of gathered together to see if they could locate Molly. Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: When I got back, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You talked about Facebook and Snapchat and different location ways to track her, is that right? Yeah, I don't do Snapchat, but if you could enlighten me a little bit, there's something that's called location services. Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: As far as, like, the map thing? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Essentially, if you are a friend or an acquaintance on Snapchat, you can see that person's location. Is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Did you use Snapchat at that point in time?

Speaker Blake Jack: I have Snapchat, but I don't think I had her as a friend, but her friends that were with us did.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: And so one of the first things that was done is to kind of look and see if they could see Molly's location. Is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep. Yep.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Because it would be pretty usual that their friends would be able to see exactly where she was, Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah, I would think so. I mean, it just depends on whether you have the ghost mode on or whatever, but, yeah.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Now, as soon as you were not able to find Molly, the police were called, is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You were asked to give a couple of different interviews, is that right? Yes, I think on July 20th. So the day after she went missing, you were asked to interview, is that correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Where was that interview at?

Speaker Blake Jack: One was down at the municipal building in Brooklyn, and the other was at the fire department in Brooklyn.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Those are pretty soon after Molly had went missing, is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah. One was, like, the day or day after, and then the next one was later on in the week after we'd been searching for a while.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Be fair to say that you were cooperative with any investigation techniques that law enforcement wanted to utilize with you, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So if they wanted you to come in for another interview, you were happy to do that, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: They also asked you to do a polygraph, is that right?

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Sir, were you ever asked to give a swab of your DNA?

Speaker Blake Jack: No, I don't think. Not that I can think of.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Another thing that law enforcement did is they asked for different devices that you had, Is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: And you were cooperative with providing those devices to law enforcement, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: In fact, I think you said, here's my cell phone, you know, take it and you can run anything on it that you need, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So anything, any messages or anything that were on that phone were voluntarily provided to law enforce, is that correct?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You and Dalton are both avid hunters, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: What do you hunt?

Speaker Blake Jack: Deer, pheasants, Turkeys, primarily.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Does Dalton also hunt deer?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Pheasants?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Turkeys?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You two hunt together?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: I would assume that it's not unusual for your home to have guns that you use to hunt with, is that correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: What kind of guns would those be?

Speaker Blake Jack: Rifles and shotguns.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You also had a.357 at your home, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yep.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Another thing, you don't use the knives and I guess in hunting, but when, if you catch or not catch, if you shoot a deer, you would use the knife to gut the deer, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yep. Field dresser. Yep.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Would it be fair to say that you've got several different knives in your residence?

Speaker Blake Jack: Yes.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Same with Dalton.

Speaker Blake Jack: Dalton had a couple, yeah.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You two would generally hunt together fairly regularly, is that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: During season, I mean, we bow. We bow hunted together. That was kind of our. Our favorite thing to do. And then we'd shotgun hunt with our family. Have a group that goes every first season. Shotgun.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Molly and Dalton did have their problems, isn't that right?

Speaker Blake Jack: Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: There was issues with him cheating on her with another woman?

Speaker Blake Jack: Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So you're not aware of any problems involving that?

Speaker Blake Jack: No, but I'm sure he wouldn't be the first 18 year old to cheat on his girlfriend.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Dalton was also known for having some anger problems.

Speaker Blake Jack: Can you elaborate on that?

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: He was known to get into fights at school.

Speaker Blake Jack: No.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: You don't know anything about Dalton having any anger problems?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: State's next witness is Dalton Jack. Can you please state your name for the record?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I am Dalton Jack.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And currently, Mr. Jack, how are you employed?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I am employed by the United States military in the Army.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. What is your current duty station with the army?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And in what branch of the army are what. What's your assignment within the army?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I AM in the 82nd Airborne Division as a sergeant. Team leader.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Say that again?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Team leader, I guess, would be my official MTO position.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When did you join the army?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: November of 2018. November 6th is my official date.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And whenever you joined the army, obviously you went to basic Training, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When was it that you were assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division in Fort Bragg?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: April of 2019.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What's your job within the military? What do you do day to day?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I am a team leader. So I have four soldiers underneath me that I take care of and lead pretty much.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How old are you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I am 23 years old.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Tell the jury, tell the jury where it is, Mr. Jack, that you grew up.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I grew up in Brooklyn, Iowa.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you live anywhere else other than Brooklyn, Iowa?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Growing up there was like a year and a half or so that we lived in Linville, Iowa, but we continued to go to Brooklyn schools.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And where did you go to High School?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: BGM Brooklyn High School.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What year did you graduate?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 2016.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Your brother is Blake?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You have another brother, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What's his name?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Randy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what's your parents names?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Brian and Cindy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Growing up, Mr. Jack, did you participate in sports in high school?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Whenever you were in high school, did you know Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, I did.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. Did you date at all while you were in high school?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, we didn't. Well, yeah, we started dating my senior year after a football game. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And where was Molly Tibbets in relation to your high school class? What class was she in?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She was one grade below mine.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long had you known Molly Tibbets while you were in high school? Did you know her all her life?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I mean, everybody knows each other in Brooklyn High School. We graduated with a class of like 50 people, so.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So everybody knows everybody?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: After graduation, Mr. Jack, what did you do with regard to school?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I went to Hawkeye Community College for a year and then decided that wasn't for me, pretty much.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Where is Hawkeye Community College?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It is in Waterloo, Iowa.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what did you study there? Generally?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustainable construction and design.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you have the same interest in construction as your brother Blake?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What are your plans, by the way, once you get out? Are you going to get out of the army at some point in time? Do you have plans to come back to Iowa?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know if I'm going to get out of the army anytime soon, so I haven't really thought about it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so the army right now is your career?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: After your year at Hawkeye Community College, what did you decide to do with regard to schooling?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I elected to not go back to school and instead go to work.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And whenever you came back from college, where did you move to?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I moved back to Brooklyn, Iowa and then started working at Jasper Construction.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So where did you live then when you moved back To Brooklyn initially.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When I moved back, I lived with my parents.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And then where did you move to?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I moved to 622 West Des Moines.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Blake moved in with your brother?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. You had mentioned earlier that you had first started dating Molly Tibbets in high school, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long did you guys date? Continuously?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: About three years.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was there any breakups in that three years?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm going to show you a photo I've shown you before.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What's on the screen, Mr. Jack, is states exhibit number one. Who is that person?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That is Molly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And this picture, do you actually recognize this photo?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. I'm actually standing behind the camera when she took this.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so is this one of her senior pictures?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is this the way Molly appeared? This may be a little bit younger, but just before her death?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So after you graduated high school and went to Hawkeye, did you and Molly continue to date?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have a relationship with Molly's parents?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I knew them, yeah. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And would you see them often, whenever.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: They were around Molly before this whole situation happened? I didn't. I'd never met Rob before in my life, but I met Laura. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, that's. Rob didn't live in Iowa, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, he lived in California.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. And Laura, who is Molly's mother, lived. Still lived in Brooklyn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you would obviously see her more frequently.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Jack, whenever you and Molly were seeing each other, tell us how you would typically communicate.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: We would communicate through Snapchat and text messages. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you use both of those platforms fairly often?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you know Molly's phone number back in July of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Can you tell us what it is?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 641-510-1065.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you still remember that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Were there any other ways that you would communicate with her, like on Twitter, Facebook, or any of those other platforms?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't have any of those other platforms.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How would you describe Molly's personality?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She was always happy, bubbly, goofy. Just like to have fun, pretty much, I guess.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And having spent that time around Molly, the three years that you described to us, did you learn what her running habits were?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And tell us about those.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She would run pretty much anywhere from one to six miles almost every day. Depend. Like, barring some extreme weather, she would go on a run every day.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And typically, would she run at any particular time of day?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She'd run later in the evening when it started to get cooler.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was that particularly the sew whenever summer was in full swing?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Were you familiar with the type of clothing or equipment that she would run with?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, she would.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Hang on just a second.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: As it relates to her clothing typically, what type of clothes would she run in?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She would run in shorts and a sports bra, sometimes like one of those cut off muscle shirts, I guess, that she stole from my closet. And then an armband to keep her phone in. And then she had some wireless earphones for music.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Those wireless earphones, were those a gift from you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. What would she do with her hair, typically?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Wear it up.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Wear it up how?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Like a ponytail, I suppose. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would she ever wear any type of headband or headgear?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah, sometimes. I know she had some, but.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, that's fine. Did she also have any other type of timing devices that she would wear with her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She wore a Fitbit as Well.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, Mr. Jack, I want to direct your attention back to the week that includes Wednesday, July 18th of 2018. You remember that week, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: During that time frame, where were you working?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was working in Dubuque, Iowa.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, for who?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Jasper Construction.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And tell us what type of construction that Jasper does.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Civil construction. Roads and bridges. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long had you been working for them?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: About two years.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, had you been working full or part time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I've been working full time.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was this both during and after you left Hawkeye Community College?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I worked for them part time during and then after I went back to full time, but I worked for them the full time this summer before I went to Hawkeye as well.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, and typically with Jasper Construction, the jobs, would they require travel?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would they require overnight stays?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What other places would Jasper have sent you other than Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I went down to pretty much the Missouri border, and we built a bridge down there. Burlington. Been down there a few times.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And Des Moines. All the time.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And then there were some other ones, but they escape my memory right now.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So the week of that would have included Wednesday, July 18. Where was the job?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was in Dubuque.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so would you have gone with a crew of people?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The week that included July 18th of Wednesday, July 18th, did you leave to go to a job near Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, I did.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. What day of the week did you leave?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Monday.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so Monday would be July 16th of 2018.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Checks out. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. And how was it that you got to Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I drove my own personal vehicle up there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did anyone else from Jasper Construction, or any other person for that matter, go with you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. Luis. And I can't remember his last Name? I'm sorry? He rode with me up there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He was one of your co workers?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what time would you have arrived Monday in Dubuque, if you recall?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, we would have left at like 3 in the morning, so like 5:36. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was it Monday or Tuesday that you went up to Dubuque, do you remember?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Went up on Monday. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you work then all day Monday?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And where was it that you stayed? In Dubuque, if you recall?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall the name of it, but it was a motel in Dubuque.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And would the rest of the road crew have stayed there with you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who was your job supervisor, do you recall?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Nick Wilson.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: While you were in Dubuque, did you have communication with Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How frequently?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: As frequently as I looked at my phone, I suppose.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Even while you're working on the job, did you have your cell phone with you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you communicate with Molly by text or Snapchat while you were working?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, depending on what I was doing. Building work.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Where was Molly working at the time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She was working for a daycare in Grinnell. Where specifically in Grinnell, do you remember the Grinnell Hospital?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was that full time work for her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So while you were in Dubuque, where was your brother Blake?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Blake would have been at his own job site in I. Newton. I don't think it was Newton. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He wasn't in Brooklyn?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what was. Where was Molly staying?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If you know, Molly would have been staying at my brother's house. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was part of her.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I wouldn't say really a job, but we'll call it that. To help take care of the dogs?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was she house sitting, for lack of a better term?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: For lack of a better term, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So I want to now direct your attention to Wednesday, July 18.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was your workday like on that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If you remember, on Wednesday, same old show up and then we were doing a bridge replace. Not a bridge replacement, a joint replacement on the bridge that goes over the Mississippi River. So it was actually we were forming at the time. Everything was already broken out. We were setting up forms to repour those joints.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you're talking about pouring concrete?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So do you remember about what time you would have gotten to work on Wednesday, July 18?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 5:30 or 6, just like every other day. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So early in the morning.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was there some weather issues on on July 18th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, not on the 18th.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Were there weather issues at other times during the week while you were on.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That job on the 19th? We got rained out.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So on the 18th, do you remember what time you got back from work?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: About 6 at night.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 6Pm what did you do whenever you got back to the hotel in Dubuque on July 18 around 6pm Just drank.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Beers with the guys and hung out. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you come back to Brooklyn for any reason?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you have even had a chance to really do that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have any communication directly with Molly on the evening of July 18th of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I had Snapchatted her, but she had not replied.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so do you remember when. That's when you sent her a Snapchat?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember the exact time of when I sent her a Snapchat.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What time would you have gone to bed on July 18th of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Relatively early, granted. How early we woke up in the morning.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, and did you receive a Snapchat from Molly that evening?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The last Snapchat that I received from her, yeah. Yes.

Speaker Blake Jack: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When did you actually open that Snapchat?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Like, the next day. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And so you can a Snapchat. Describe to the jury how that works? Whenever you receive a Snapchat from someone, how is it that you receive that message and how do you open it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Snapchat. You get to open it, and then it's set on a timer. As soon as like, 10 seconds or whatever, the person that sent it elapses, it just disappears, and you can't reopen it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And whatever Snapchat you received from Molly, whether. Whatever time it was, had it been sent earlier?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you just ignore the message or did you not get it, or can you explain that for us?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I probably just didn't even look at my phone. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What were you doing on the evening of July 18th after you got back to the hotel?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Like I said, we were drinking beers with the friends of the crew, and we were all hanging out.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so whenever you're hanging out, are you doing other things?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah, we were playing, like, yard games. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And whenever you're talking about how many people on the crew were there that would have been around you the evening of July 18th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: There was actually two crews working in conjunction on that job. So it would have been like 15, 20 people or something like that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And were all 15 or 20 of the crew out at the motel having fun and doing these types of things that you described?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not every single one of them, but there was a good. Probably 10 or 12 of us out there. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was there any bad weather on the evening of July 18th that would have rained out that. That party at all?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not That I remember, no. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And do you remember what time you went to bed on July 18th of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do not remember what time I went to bed. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you ever leave Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you have had a roommate while you were at the hotel in Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you know who that is?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Brandon Gordy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Other than what you've described, Mr. Jack, did you have any other communication with Molly directly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The next day. So Thursday. Let's move to that. July 19, did you send Molly a message in the morning?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, I sent her the same good morning message that I always send her.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what is that good morning message?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Good morning, beautiful. Like a kissy face or something like that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, what platform would you have used to send that information?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I would have texted that. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you receive any response from her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was that unusual?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I didn't even notice.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so you sent her the message, and then where'd you go?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To work.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Before we move on, I wanted to step back to the night before. Okay, let's talk about that. On Wednesday night, did you open a Snapchat from Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall doing that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Don't remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you remember telling the police that you opened it at a certain time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So would reviewing have I had you review your reports prior to testifying? Is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would reviewing those reports help refresh your memory?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. All right.

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Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You may.

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Speaker Unidentified Speaker: This is page 6, fourth paragraph. Does that help refresh your memory?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so I'll ask again, Mr. Jack, had you opened a Snapchat from Molly on July 18, Wednesday of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what time did you open it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 10:30Pm okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was that the last communication that you would have observed from Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. Now, 10:30pm does not mean that's when you received the Snapchat, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, That's Just when you opened it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall when you received that Snapchat from her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do not.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you remember the content of it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah, it was just a face with her caption, and I don't remember what the caption said.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, and could you tell from the photo what location Molly was in? In that photo on the Snapchat, it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Appeared she was in the living room of the Blake's house.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so not outside?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Inside?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, let's go back then now to July 19th of 2018, which was Thursday.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you receive any communication from Molly Tibbets on that Thursday?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Describe for the jury, please, what your workday was on Thursday?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Workday was we showed up and then we were forming the joints, still continuing to do that, and then we ended up getting rained out because we had some pretty inclement weather there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so when did you get rained out on Thursday? Do you recall the time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm not for sure on this, but I think it was around noonish. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And was the plan to stay and work Thursday if you could, or Friday if you could?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I think we waited it out for like, 15 minutes, and then we just went back to the motel.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that's what usually happens with cruising. Your type of work weather interrupts it, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. Was the plan to come back to the job site and keep working on Friday, the next day? Okay, so no plans to come home on Thursday, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you receive, at some point in time, a call from one of Molly's friends?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you learn some information from that that caused you to become worried?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I received a call from Emily Fenner, one of her co workers at the daycare, and she said that Molly had not called or showed up for work. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And do you remember about what time you received that communication?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 4:30, maybe.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So it was in the afternoon?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Prior to receiving that contact from Ms. Fenner, had you made other attempts to try to reach Molly TibBets on Thursday, July 19?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, I was asleep. I was taking a nap.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because you'd been up early?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Once you got that call from or that communication from Ms. Fenner, did you become worried?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what did you do as a result of that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I contacted pretty much everybody that I could think of to try to get a hold of Molly as well. As well as? I called her own cell phone multiple times.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And had anybody had any success?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Nobody had any success.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you remember how many? I won't ask you who, but do you remember how many phone calls or texts that you made in an attempt to try to find where Molly was at?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do not remember the number, but it was a lot.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Brown, let me jump in and stop you there. We're due for a recess.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Members of the jury will take a 15 minute recess at this time.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Dalton or Mr. Jack. We were just discussing the day, July 19th of 2018. The day that you came home. All right, so what were the circumstances whenever you left your jobs? Can you just describe what you told your boss? And how was it that you got back to Brooklyn?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was just outright with him. I told him that I hadn't heard from Molly in a while, and I'm trying to get other people to find her, and they can't find her. And I just drove my own POV back to Brooklyn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Your POV being?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Oh, my personally owned vehicle. Sorry, my truck.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did anyone come back with you from Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, and do you remember about what time it was that you got home on July 19, 2018? On Thursday, it was dark.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'd say about 9pm okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Describe where you went whenever you got home.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I went straight to the house. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To 6:22?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To my brother's house.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. And describe what you saw there at the house whenever you arrived.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: There's like a crowd on the lawn. An officer was already there taking statements from people.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you talk to the police?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you remember the officer that you spoke to?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Matt Simpson. Matt Simpson, Is he a sheriff's deputy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: In Powell Sheet County?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you make any other attempts on that evening to contact Molly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What did you do?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Called her more, texted her more. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Whenever you would call her, would you get voicemail?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you get anything?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have any contact with Molly Tibbets?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The following day, did you make attempts to contact her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you ever join in the search for Molly? Can you describe what it was that you did?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Me and my brother actually went out that night and we drove around for a long time, and then we were just kind of checking everywhere that we can do. But then there was a more organized search put on by, like, the fire department, the police department, before the whole thing went through. And then we, like, sectored out the city and all that fun stuff. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Were you a part of that at all?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so you joined in to assist?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you go back to work at Jasper during the time frame that Molly was missing?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did they give you the time off because of that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: At this time, I don't have any further questions of Dalton.

Speaker Blake Jack: Jack.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Defense may cross examine. Mr. Jack, good morning.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long is it again since you've been in the Army?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I've been in the army for almost three years now.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was the date you joined?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: November 6, 2018.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So three months after Molly's discovery, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So did you ever go back to Jasper Construction to work?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was the decision to go to the army based upon?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I wanted to pretty much leave for a while.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Why?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because I grew up there. She grew up there. It's where we kind of built our relationship, and now she was gone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you were heartbroken?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Molly was your.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Your true love, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I would say so, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You had planned on marrying this woman, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you were devoted to Molly, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: People described it as a true love story, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is that how you felt about her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. You've told the jury here today about your activities in the days leading up to Molly's disappearance, and I want to explore those a little bit.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If I understand you correctly, your testimony today is that on the night of Molly's disappearance, you were in your hotel room for a bit and then hanging out with the boys, drinking beers, playing games, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that's your testimony today, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: We're clear on that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That's not always the story you've given to the police, though, is it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, did you not tell the police in a previous interview that you spent the night in your room watching movies?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That was what I was, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Do you recall giving that statement?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. When did you give that statement to police?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know the exact time or date that I gave that statement.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, let's come at it this way.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How many times were you interviewed by police?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: A lot.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. More than three.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would say so, I guess. Yes. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: As I understand it, you first met with Matt Simpson on the 19th, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And when you talked to Matt Simpson, that was at your home at 622 West Des Moines street, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that was just kind of generally to give him the background of what was going on, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, you told Deputy Simpson that nothing really seemed to be out of place. Do you recall saying that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall saying that, but I could imagine that I did say that, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Have you reviewed any recordings or any reports relating to Deputy Simpson?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I reviewed the report, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. If Deputy Simpson's report says that's what you said, would you quibble with that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Now, do you recall having a conversation with Deputy Simpson saying that the bed was tousled and unmade, which was ironic since Molly was the last one in it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Again, I don't recall that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But if Deputy Simpson says that, would you doubt that you made that statement?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And then you talked with Detective Steve Kivi of the Powashee County Sheriff's Office, I believe, the next day, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that was just in his truck. He's trying to help find Molly as well, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall that conversation?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall every detail of that conversation, no.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Do you recall telling him what you were doing in Dubuque the night before?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But you do recall because you refresh your recollections. Been refreshed by Mr. Brown that on the 23rd, or strike that, on the 18th, you got a Snapchat from Molly and you opened it around 10:30pm Right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You also told someone that the last time someone saw Molly was around 10:30pm that night as well, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't recall saying that to someone?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You recall telling police officers that you also went to bed both nights while you were in Dubuque around 1030?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall that either.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, you were interviewed a final time by officers and it was on July 27, 2018.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall that interview?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall every detail of that interview, but I have the. I remember the interview, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that interview involved the agent, Matt George, recall an interview?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You recall it involved an individual named Lara Ziesler?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall who that is.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You recall telling the agents that on the 18th of July, the night that you say Molly or Molly, we know Molly disappeared and that you were in Dubuque, that you finished work around 6:30pm recall telling them that on the 27th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You recall telling the agents that you showered and that night you watched Rush Hour 1 in your room?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is this the night of the 18th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Then, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, your testimony today is that you were out with the boys, playing games and drinking beers, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you told the officers on 27 July a different story, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I suppose so.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If I showed you the report, would it refresh your recollection?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You also told officers on that same interview information that you withheld before, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that information that you withheld before was that you'd had a relationship with a woman other than Molly, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who was that woman?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Her name was Jordan Lamb.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And what'd you tell officers the reason you withheld that information?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I didn't deem it necessary.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You didn't deem it necessary?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I didn't think that it was pertinent to the case.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you didn't think it was pertinent to tell law enforcement officers that you having an affair on your true love was not pertinent to the case? Right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was 19 years old.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So what?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Explain to me what you mean by that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was 19 years old. It was the beginning of the relationship, and I screwed up one time. Molly knew about it, and we got past it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So it was the beginning of the relationship that you had an affair on Molly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So give me a time frame as to when you had this affair on Molly. What date?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember the exact dates, but it was about.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not even a year after we started dating.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So give me a date.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember the exact date.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Give me a approximate date, please.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: August of 2017. I think it would be 2016.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, because the officers talked to you about it, and you gave them kind of the details into how Molly learned about this, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Molly was upset that you cheated on her, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you gave him the date of the fall of 2017, didn't you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So I think again, again, this relationship that you had with Jordan Lamb, tell us how it evolved. How'd it start?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You started Snapchatting her, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That sounds about right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Am I right or am I wrong?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, you're right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You started sending her Snapchats.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Why'd you start sending her Snapchats?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Why does anybody do anything that's wrong?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm asking you that question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You have no idea why you start sending a woman Snapchats, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, you wanted to get with her, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I imagine that would be yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, I don't want you to imagine. I want you to tell me why you did.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You wanted to strike up a relationship with Jordan Lamb, didn't you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And this was in February. I'll strike that. This was late 2017, early 2018, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so it wasn't 2016 like you just told me.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I told you that I don't remember the dates.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, but now you do, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct. And you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You know that now because you've been confronted with these dates by officers, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you were confronted with these dates by Molly, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you do remember the dates right now, don't you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Two minutes ago, you didn't remember the dates, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So these Snapchats, the reason you use Snapchat was that you sent a message, then it disappears, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The reason I use Snapchat because that was my primary form of communication with a lot of people.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But also, you use it because you send a message, it disappears and can't be seen by people who get on your phone, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That wasn't what I stated in my previous statement.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so you're telling me that the reason you. You use Snapchat had nothing to do with the fact that Snapchat disappears after you send a message?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, in these Snapchats, you're telling Jordan things like she's the most attractive girl you ever met, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember the content of the Snapchats.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Enough, Jack. To Hearsay and revelance.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained. As to what ground hearsay in these Snapchats. This is around the time Molly was getting ready to go visit her dad in California in March of 2018, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do not recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And were you not telling Jordan that you were going to break up with Molly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I think so. Do you not recall?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you were pressing Jordan pretty hard for her to be your girlfriend, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I also do not recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: During this time you had sexual relations with Jordan, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Never told Molly that, did you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Molly knew.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When did Molly know?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Molly knew when she confronted me about it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And how did Molly find out that you were having sexual relations with Jordan Lamb?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She went through my phone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She went through your phone, Correct. When?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When I was asleep one night.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was this before or after Jordan Lamb busted you by telling Molly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That was during. That's the reason she went through my phone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you'd agree with me that Jordan Lamb messaged Molly to share with her what you had been doing with Jordan, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And Jordan told Molly that you were trying to get with her, right? Object.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He's gonna have no basis for that knowledge as to what Jordan told Molly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was there information on your phone about Jordan and Molly talking?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do not recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, but again, you didn't think seem to think that this relationship with Jordan was relevant, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, when you told Agent George about this, he told you he wanted to set the reset button with you, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't understand the question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Agent George told you it was time to set the reset button with you, and he wanted you to be 100% truthful, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You also then were asked by Agent George if there's anything else that you remembered about that day or that time in your life, recall that Question from Agent George.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall from Agent George conversation that you and he were talking about some mysterious man that you had just seen in Brooklyn?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And describe that mysterious man that you told them about on July 27th.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I believe that I was mowing the lawn, and he just walked by. He was tall, wearing baggy pants with a chain. That's what I remember.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Currently dressed all in black?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If that's what the report says, then yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you had just recalled that that day as well?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. You agreed me you'd never given that report of a mysterious man wearing black walking around Brooklyn before July 27th.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The report of the man walking around Brooklyn was after Molly had already disappeared.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you agree with me that you probably knew Molly's running running routes better than anyone?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who would know better?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know who would know better, but I barely knew Molly's running routes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, you testified on direct that you knew her running routes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do know her running routes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, but now it's just. You barely knew her running routes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I didn't know that. She ran out to the blacktop.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, we're trying to show you, Mr. Jack, what's been marked as Defendants Exhibit Q for identification.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, you turned over your phone for examination, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that phone was examined, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was it returned to you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Were you given a copy of the report?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Have you seen the report?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It's your testimony, Mr. Jack, that on July 18th, okay, the day Molly goes missing. I just want to be clear on timeline here that you texted her that morning.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Good morning, beautiful.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And did you text throughout the day with her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Pardon me.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: One other time, on the 18th? Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And do you recall texting with her around dinner time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Didn't ask you if you had a better day today?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall that, no.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So this is the day your love of your life goes missing, and you don't recall that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you not go back and try to recreate the day that your love of your life goes missing in an attempt to maybe figure out how she was wound up missing?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: From the moment that it started, I knew that I was not a investigator of any sort.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, but even for your own peace of mind, you didn't go back and try to recreate this?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: My own peace of mind came by trying to get her back.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Did you not go back and look at your phone and look at your text messages in your Snapchats to just kind of Rehash the days leading up to this?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not once?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, what is your understanding of the time that Molly would have been likely abducted?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't understand the question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What is your understanding of the time of day on the 18th? That Molly was likely abducted?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Her normal running time was what I assumed.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so no one's told you. You haven't done any investigation as to what time of day Molly was abducted? Exactly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Every detail of the case I wanted admitted. From me. Because I don't want to know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't want to know?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, let's back up a little further then. July 16th is a Monday, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: We know that. Because the 18th was a Wednesday, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Monday, you didn't work in Dubuque.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Monday I worked in Dubuque.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So Monday night was a typical night.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You were hanging out with the boys in the room, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who's your roommate?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Brandon Gordy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And Brandon's a young man you grew up with?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I didn't grow up with Brandon Gordy.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He's from Brooklyn, though, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, but he was older than I was.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you text and Snapchat Molly that night?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What time did you go to bed? I don't go around 10:30 sound about right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sure.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is that your normal. Is that your normal bedtime?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Tuesday, you get up.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What time did you go to work that day?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Same time as always. 5:30, 6:00. Somewhere there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you worked all day until about 6:00 that night, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Long day?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, is that the day that someone sprayed your car with some sealant?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was either Tuesday or Monday, but. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Made you pretty upset?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So upset that you wanted to quit, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Wanted to go home, see Molly, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But you didn't. Why not?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because the pay benefits. What else was I gonna do?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Molly talked you out of it, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that night, did you hang out with the guys drinking beer and.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, well, if he told investigators you drank a bunch of beer that night and got drunk and was hungover Wednesday morning, would that sound about right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that makes sense because you were angry and probably drank one or two too many beers, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who sprayed your truck?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't remember who sprayed my truck, but it was somebody on one of the other crews.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. And you were upset with him?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You told Molly you were upset with him?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was a Hispanic gentleman, wasn't it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And then on Wednesday, you went back to work and another normal day Right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you don't recall Molly texting you at the end of the day and asking you if you had a better day?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, I don't.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you don't recall Texting Molly at 8:18 or 8:19 that night?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, I don't.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't recall sending her a text message saying, my phone data straight up won't work?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, I don't.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. And it's your testimony that you open a Snapchat from Molly at 10:30pm Right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would you agree with me that the Snapchat records that were retrieved by investigators would more accurately show those times than your recollection?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Can you think of any reason in your mind why those records would show that you opened those. That last Snapchat at 1:30am on the 19th?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was just awake, woke up in the middle of night.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so if they show 1:30am that's accurate, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If that's what the records show, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So your recollection of that could be faulty.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You have no recollection of Texting Molly at 8:18pm on July 18 saying, My data straight up won't work?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Last message you sent your girlfriend on the day she was abducted?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, on your phone, you have a number of apps, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You have an Apple iPhone, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: On that Apple iPhone, you have things like Find my iPhone?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Tell me what Find my iPhone is.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Find my iPhone, if you have paired the iPhones, allows you to find the other iPhone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So, like, I have kids and I can do find my iPhone to find my kids and where they are at any given time.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you have the same thing with Molly?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you had to find my iPhone. Do you have anybody else on Find My iPhone that you could locate?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No. The way Find My iPhone works is if you're on the same phone bill, then you can do it. Or if you pair them, you can do it. Me and Molly never paired, and we weren't on the same phone bill.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Would there be any reason why you were on Find my iPhone on July 18, 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't know?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know. Who.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Who is on your Find My iPhone that you can locate at that time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Nobody.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You also have a progressive for a insurance company, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not anymore. But at the time I did, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. And that application was on your phone as well, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that app would keep track of how you drove?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And if you drove well, like, you didn't speed or stop short or get in an accident, you'd get rewarded for good driving behavior, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you check that app often?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: But it would automatically kick in if your vehicle was on the move. Is that your understanding correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you recall checking your Progressive app that night?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, but I rarely swept up and closed my apps on my phone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, but your understanding is of the Progressive act, they call it Snapshot, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Snapshot kicks in when your vehicle is on the move, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And it's your vehicle, no one else's, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you're telling me that your vehicle on July 18, 2018 was not on the move?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 9:00 that night, you were drinking beer with buddies and playing bags, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You also have an app on your phone called Maps, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, Maps, you can keep directions or.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Or drop a pin and drive to someone's location, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You've done that before, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I've used Maps to get directions, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Would there be any reason why you're using Apple Maps on your phone in the evening of July 18, 2018, after, let's say, 10pm?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not that I can think of.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If your phone activity shows that you were using Apple Maps that night, can you think of any reason why that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I would have not closed it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When was the last time you would have used Apple Maps, to your knowledge.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To get up to Dubuque?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Now, who is Ulysses Felix?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Ulysses Felix was the.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He's a kid that worked with Scott. Not worked with Scott. Went to school with Scott.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You ever met Ulysses Felix?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you know Ulysses Felix prior to Molly's death?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Knew of him, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Pardon me?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I knew of him, yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Did you know where he lived?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because I'm going to object again to this particular line of questioning outside the scope of direct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Go ahead.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you know where he worked?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He's also a friend of Jake Tibbets too, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And this is the same Ulysses Felix that after Maui's death, wound up living with Laura, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Let's talk about you young men.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You consider yourself to have a temper?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not anymore.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You did though, at one time?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Pretty angry young man.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When I was about 17. 16. Yes. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So how old were you when Molly died?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: 20.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When you're 17. 16. Tell us about the. The temper that Dalton Jack had.

Speaker Blake Jack: Jack to relevance.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Go ahead.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Tell me about the temper of the 16. 17 year old Dalton Jack.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was not good. It was short fused.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Like the fight?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: In fact, one time you choked a man out. Right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Some kind of.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Jack.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: This is improper character evidence. Specific instance of conduct. This is not relevant.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained on that ground. But you've been known to fight, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And when you fought, the.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Your friends were right there with you, weren't they?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: They all had each other's backs, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Those friends included Dylan Eichhorn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Dylan Eichhorn was older than me, so. No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How much older was Dylan?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Dylan graduated with my older brother, who was just in here. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You know Jackson Eichhorn?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is he a friend?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He graduated. My younger brother.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. But you all know each other, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You work with Dylan, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Around the time that Molly was abducted or died, you told her a number of times that you thought you were depressed, Right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that manifested itself with anger, you said. Right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Three days.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Three days before Molly ends up missing, she told you that she was upset and sad because of your relationship with Jordan, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The day before she ends up missing, you learned that she and Hope Beck had talked about your relationship with yet another woman named Tara, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Objections. Calls for hearsay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall that at all.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't know that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Either you don't know it or you don't recall it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Don't recall it.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You told police that they asked you if Molly was jealous. You told her that there was a woman named Tara as well, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: If that's what the report says. And yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm not asking what the report says. I'm asking what you said.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't recall telling the police about Tara?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was there a Tara?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay, so there's another woman that you had at least some conversations with, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That was during your relationship with Molly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That was simultaneous to starting the relationship with Molly.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And who told you or got a hold of you first, as Molly's friend, about whether or not Molly was missing?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Emily Finn.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Also an old relationship of yours?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Also a woman who made Molly jealous, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Objection. Calls for speculation.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You and Molly had conversations in the weeks and month leading up to her abduction about Emily asking about you, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall that at all.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: There was a time where Emily would be at parties and stuff and ask about you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Speculation. Calls for hearsay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustain.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Emily Fenner, when she texted you. Because that's what she did. She texted you, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She called me. She texted me and called me. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When she texted you, she asked you a very specific question, didn't she?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: She asked you Dalt because she calls you Dalt, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And she said Dalt, is Molly alive? Didn't she?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You don't know?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall the text messages.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You'd agree with me. That's an odd question to ask someone.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It's argumentative. Calls for speculation.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long was it before Molly was abducted that she started wearing her promise ring again?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Was it a week?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I don't recall.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What have you done to prepare yourself for testimony today?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sir, I got off a flight yesterday. So very little.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. You know we're here on a charge of murder for the love of your life, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And I'm getting a lot of. I don't recall a lot of you, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you want the man who did this, brought the justice, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you haven't thought about this and poured it over in your mind to have every detail remembered?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: When I was asked if I wanted to be here voluntarily, I said, absolutely not. So, no.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you do not want to be here voluntarily?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, I didn't want to be in the same room as your defendant there.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Oh, so you didn't want to come give testimony to get justice for your love of your life?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You wouldn't be here to fight for her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That's all I have, you, Honor.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Brown, any redirect?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Dalton, let's be clear.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You cooperated with me prior to trial to prepare you here today. Is that correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Absolutely. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. We talked on the phone a number of times, isn't that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The reason why we wouldn't have met in person is because you're in the army, stationed in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you remember a time when this case was pending, when you had been deployed overseas?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Where did you go? Can you tell us?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Iraq.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. And whenever you were in Iraq, you communicated with me, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And it was mainly about the case, about when it was going to be scheduled and that type of thing, isn't that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: So you've always wanted to assist and do what you can, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained. Rephrase the question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I can do that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Describe your level of.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Describe you cooperated with us, Is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And we sent you some reports. Correct? To review.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Object.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'll rephrase it. What did we. Sorry.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sustained. Rephrase.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah. What.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What did we send you to review for this case?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You sent me two reports.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. And did we sit down with you to prep, prepare you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Tell us the reason, again, why you don't want to be sitting in this room right now?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because of the defendant being here. Okay. And why I'm obviously not his biggest fan. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You were in a relationship with Molly Tibbets, correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Is that why you don't want to be sitting with this man right here?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Because you think he's responsible for her death, isn't that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Or speculation invades the profits of the jury?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, I'll sustain that, but I'm going to allow Mr. Brown to rephrase the question if he so chooses.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Why do you not want to be sitting in this room with that guy, with this man?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I wholeheartedly believe he's guilty.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Whenever you went to Dubuque with Jasper Construction on the week that included July 18, tell us, how many people would you have been around that week that would have known you?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That would have known me?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Oh, the entirety of my crew, which was seven people. And then there was a few on the other crew that I had worked with before, so I'd say probably 10 to 12 that knew me. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And in order to get from your home to Dubuque or to the job location, did you have to use any apps or applications on your phone?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: What was that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Maps. For sure.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. And on your phone, can you describe for the jury whether or not your phone keeps your trips in its memory?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, it does.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right, so if you would have entered the address that you were going to the bridge or wherever it was you were working on the week that included July 18, would that have been in your phone?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And would you have utilized that to get to your job site?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Bottom line, Mr. Jack, did you ever come home between the time you left for your job on the week that included July 18th and when you got back on July 19th, did you ever come back to Brooklyn, Iowa?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I did not.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: The relationship with Jordan, Mr. Freeze asked you about that. Do you recall that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: How long did that last?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: About a day.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Now, did Molly Tibbets find out about that relationship?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And had you two worked through that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you ever break up over it?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To your knowledge, did any of Molly's family members? No. About your relationship with Jordan?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: They do now.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Did they know it back then?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not the time, no.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Well, let me be clear. Not at the time that it was happening, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, not at the time that it was happening.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Did they find out about it later?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: All right. Have you maintained a good relationship with Molly's parents, Laura and Rob?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Despite the fact that you had had this brief relationship?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Objection. Relevance.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Let him finish the question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Go ahead. The witness may answer if he knows.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I'm sorry. Can you say the question again? Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you maintain a good relationship with Rob Tibbets and Laura Calderwood, Molly's parents, after this knowledge about Jordan came out?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It was in the past.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Do you know the defendant, Christian, the Hannah Rivera?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Have you ever, ever met him at all prior to July 18th of 2018?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you know he drove a black Chevy Malibu?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Had you ever had access to the black Chevy Malibu driven by Christian Beheno Rivera?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To your knowledge, did Molly Tibbets have any type of relationship with Christian Behena Rivera?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: To your knowledge, did Molly Tibbets have access to the black Chevy Malibu driven by the defendant, Christian Behena Rivera?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No connection between either you or Molly and the defendant, is that correct?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That's all I have.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you, Mr.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Freeze. Any recross, Mr. Jack? Despite communicating with Mr. Brown from Iraq, despite preparing with Mr. Brown while you're here, you still don't recall a lot of the pertinent facts, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And that's because you're choosing to?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No, it's because it wasn't in the two reports that I received.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Oh, okay. You agree the facts you don't recall are ones that are not advantageous to you, Right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Which, I'm gonna object, is argumentative.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That's sustained. As early as a month before Molly was abducted, you two were talking about breaking up, right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I do recall that, and yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. So things weren't all rosy between you and Molly in the last 30 days before her abduction, were they?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: No.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And you didn't like the fact that if Molly was going to be leaving you and maybe going with someone else.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: That bothered you, that would bother anybody, but yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And it wasn't the first time that bothered you because you two were supposed to move in together in October 2017.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: And when she told you she was gonna move in with friends, that got you angry as well?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You didn't want her moving in with friends. You wanted her moving in with you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I was upset that she had went back on the plan that I had been going with for the last year and a half after that.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It made you very angry, correct? Right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Did you ever tell Molly that you didn't like other men looking at her?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Not that I recall, no.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Okay.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Sure about that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Objection. Judge, again, he's answered the question.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: It's overruled.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: He can clarify if he needs to, go ahead. Sure about that?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: I. Yes.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. That's all I have. Mr. Brown, are we done with this witness?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Yes, we are.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Okay. Mr. Jack, thank you for being here.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: You're excused. All right.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: State may call its next witness.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Just state your name, please.

Speaker Unknown: Matthew William Simpson.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And who is your employer?

Speaker Unknown: Powashee County Sheriff's Office.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What do you do for the sheriff's office?

Speaker Unknown: I'm a patrol deputy.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And when you on duty on July 19, 2018?

Speaker Unknown: I was.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What shift were you working that day?

Speaker Unknown: I'd be the night shift. It's 4pm to 4am and did you.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Receive a missing person call when you were working that shift?

Speaker Unknown: I did.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And can you describe that call for me?

Speaker Unknown: I was called to the house of Blake Jack. I believe it was 622 W. Des Moines St. In Brooklyn, Iowa for a missing person.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And do you recall the approximate time that that report came in?

Speaker Unknown: I believe it's 5:56pm is Brooklyn in Powell Sheet County? It is.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And did you respond to that call?

Speaker Unknown: I did.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And who was on the scene when you first arrived?

Speaker Unknown: Blake Jack, and I believe his girlfriend, Allie, along with a couple other people that weren't identified.

Speaker Mr. Claver: You recall the approximate time that you arrived at the residence?

Speaker Unknown: I don't recall approximate time.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And do you know who was living at 622 W. Des Moines St. At that time?

Speaker Unknown: Blake Jack, his girlfriend Ally and Blake's brother Dalton. And I believe Molly Tibbets had been staying there as well.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And who is identified as missing Molly Tibbets.

Speaker Mr. Claver: When was the last reported communication that anybody had with Molly?

Speaker Unknown: I believe I talked to her mom, Laura Calderwood, and she had conversation with her the previous night at 5:30 for conversation about having supper. I believe that was the 18th.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And did you go inside the residence?

Speaker Unknown: I did.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What did you observe in the residence?

Speaker Unknown: A normal farmhouse were 4:20 something. Two couples were living. It wasn't unkept, but it was, you know, dishes in the sink.

Speaker Unknown: Just a typical teenager house.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you find Molly Tibbets at the residence?

Speaker Unknown: I did not.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you see any sign of a struggle?

Speaker Unknown: I did not.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Were there dogs at the house?

Speaker Unknown: They had dogs that were pinned up in the basement.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And did you go to the basement to investigate?

Speaker Unknown: I did.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What did you see when you were there?

Speaker Unknown: I found the dogs pinned into a room. There were some dog poop on the floor. Blake had told me that was common, that the dogs were pinned up. If anybody was out of the home, if somebody was in the home, they'd be let free.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Anything else of note that you discovered in the house?

Speaker Unknown: I don't believe so. I looked in her room where she stayed with Dalton when they were home.

Speaker Unknown: There was nothing of consequences in the house. They advised me the doors were usually left unlocked. We did find a freshly delivered package at the front door. I believe it was FedEx that dropped that off. And there was one by the side door by the garage that was delivered by the post office.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you seize any evidence?

Speaker Unknown: I don't believe so.

Speaker Mr. Claver: At that time, was anything noted as missing from 622 West Des Moines Street?

Speaker Unknown: I don't believe so.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And did you go anywhere else to further your investigation, aside from 622 W. Des Moines St?

Speaker Unknown: I went to the home of Laura Calderwood, where Molly also had stayed.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What's the address there?

Speaker Unknown: I believe it's 114 Bear Creek Drive.

Speaker Mr. Claver: In Brooklyn?

Speaker Unknown: It is in Brooklyn.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And was anything noted as missing from that residence?

Speaker Unknown: Laura recalled that her running shoes and earbuds were missing.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you do anything else to attempt to locate Molly on July 19th?

Speaker Unknown: I had dispatch ping her cell phone number. I was advised later that it was either off or in a Rome state. I contacted my sheriff and also later contacted our investigator, Steve Kivi.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did anyone report having seen Molly on July 18, 2018?

Speaker Unknown: I was advised, I believe it was Blake that stated one of the neighbors had seen him seen her on the 18th. And I later spoke with that neighbor, Nate Hopwood, about seeing her the day prior.

Speaker Mr. Claver: What was Molly reported to have been doing?

Speaker Unknown: Running past the residential area.

Speaker Mr. Claver: That was on July 18th?

Speaker Unknown: Yes.

Speaker Mr. Claver: How long were you in Brooklyn during your investigation?

Speaker Unknown: I believe probably a couple hours. I'm not sure on specific time.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you ever contact Deputy Steve Kivi?

Speaker Unknown: I did.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And who is he?

Speaker Unknown: He's the investigator for the Powell Sheet County Sheriff's Office.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Did you have any other involvement in this case after you conducted the initial investigation?

Speaker Unknown: I did not.

Speaker Mr. Claver: And why is that?

Speaker Unknown: The following day I was leaving on vacation, so I was out of the area for an extended period of time, and then my duties didn't bring me back into the case.

Speaker Mr. Claver: Thank you, Deputy. I have no further questions for you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Thank you, Mr. Claver. Defense may cross examine.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So, sir, you received this call, and it's probably not unusual to receive a call that someone's not. Can't be located, is that right?

Speaker Mr. Claver: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Typically, it doesn't end up like this, and. And it ends up that it's closed fairly quickly, is that right?

Speaker Mr. Claver: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Here you respond, and you go directly to the 622 Des Moines street house. Is that right?

Speaker Unknown: That's right.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: When you get there, describe what you see.

Speaker Unknown: A house sitting back from the roadway. There was, I would guess, six people there other than Blake Jack and his girlfriend. At the time, Ally, there were starting to be a little bit of a commotion because they're worried about their friend.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So these people, and they're not disorderly, but they're worried and frantic, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So your job, first of all is to kind of make everybody calm and to deal with what is a high conflict and emotional situation. Situation, Is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Was there anybody that was sort of a lead person that you talked with at that point?

Speaker Unknown: It was Blake. He was home at the time.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: All right. And Blake conveyed the information of what was going on, is that right?

Speaker Unknown: Correct.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: When's the first time that you spoke with Dalton Jack?

Speaker Unknown: It had been later that evening.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: So he was not home yet, is that right?

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Correct.

Speaker Unknown: I was advised he was in Dubuque driving home.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Describe your first contact with Dalton Jack.

Speaker Unknown: Normal. For somebody that you know, boyfriend finds out his girlfriend's missing, he's concerned.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Was he crying?

Speaker Unknown: I don't recall.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Was he talkative?

Speaker Unknown: I don't recall.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Did he tell you when he last spoke with Molly?

Speaker Unknown: I believe he said he'd gotten a Snapchat.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: And what time was that Snapchat at?

Speaker Unknown: He. He'd opened it at 10:30 the night before.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: Did he tell you when the last time that he spoke with her via text message?

Speaker Unknown: I don't recall. Text message.

Speaker Kelly Clarkson: No further questions. Thank you.

Speaker Unidentified Speaker: Mr. Claver, anything of this witness?

Speaker Mr. Claver: No questions.

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